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- FirstDigg, on 11/03/2008, -35/+409Digg up this comment if you prefer "Radically Singleplayer" games.
- MichaelMelen, on 11/03/2008, -1/+12dugg'ity dugg for singleplayer
- CrivensMcJugs, on 11/03/2008, -0/+49After playing Fallout 3 for around 30 hours in the last three days, I have only one answer for you: "ThreeeeeeeEEEE DAWG, that's my name, coming to you live!"
...wait, uh, I mean "yes I likes radically singleplayer games."- dafragsta, on 11/03/2008, -11/+1Slightly off-topic rant here. I found I had to start cheating early on, even on easy. Where is all the frickin' ammo in this game? I also don't like how the FPS element seems so disjointed from VATS. In FPS mode, can you actually TARGET body parts?
If so, it seems exceedingly counter productive that you'd need laser pinpoint accuracy to PICK which body part you wanted to attack outside of VATS, yet the results are completely random. If you are moving while shooting, your grouping is going to be bad enough because of constant aim adjustment from the moving, thus compounding the terrible shot grouping in FPS mode. For as little ammo as there is, for as prone to missing anything that isn't 3 feet in front of your face as it is, I'd say that Fallout 3 is the broken opus Oblivion was before the mods came out. Didn't I hear something about how the Games for Windows stamp of approval prohibits modding? - Syraxis, on 11/03/2008, -0/+13It wasn't made to be a straight up FPS. Pay attention to your stats, they're important (like how much damage your guns cause to mobs for example). Ammo is scarce because hey what do ya know? It's a post apocalyptic world, most things are scarce. Just like in Fallout 1 & 2, need to conserve resources. If you only like to run around and shoot everything that moves, F3 probably isn't your type of game.
- Drahkar, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7@dafragsta -
They State in the game manual itself to conserve your ammunition because its not easy to find. It was never intended to be a Quake or Unreal Substitute. Its a RPG played in a FPS view.
As to missing all the time. Maybe if you put some points into your weapon skills and trained some combat traits you wouldn't have that problem. Or maybe if you tried playing beyond level 3 you might have better luck. - TheUngod, on 11/03/2008, -0/+8Get to Rivet City. You'll be able to buy more ammo than you know what to do with. That, or just kill enemies and take it. I know, crazy idea right? Currently I have about 250 shotgun shells, 900 556 (or whatever the assault ammo is), 100 or so 44, and over 100 308 (Sniper rifle, hell yeah). Small guns ftw!
- andre4u, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1@dafragsta
I'm not sure why they didn't release an editor for F3 but some Oblivion modders have already made a few very small mods (mostly turning off compass indicators). The launcher for F3 also has the "Data" option like Oblivion did.
Also, I couldn't find anything on the gamesforwindows.com site that talked about mods except for this page http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Support/famil ... Searching google for "Games for Windows mods" turned up nothing as well.
Can you tell us where you heard this thing about no mods? - dafragsta, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3I will say that I did notice that the range and accuracy did improve as I leveled up, I just didn't know if the difficulty-in-battle curve was always going to be that steep. I do need to read up on how actual damage is calculated. I know it wasn't intended to be an FPS first, but at the same time, the ease at which Bethesda handles and action RPG vs, say Diablo for example, is not quite so point and click and there definitely seems to be a timing and order of operations thing that can work for or against you.
- Elranzer, on 11/03/2008, -14/+2FPS with Stat Building ≠ RPG
I refuse to accept that Fallout 3 is an RPG. Game companies these days seem to think that any game with stat building is automatically an RPG.
Dirge of Cerberus wasn't an RPG, either. - SocialPoison, on 11/03/2008, -0/+5@dafragsta - I struggled a bit with this at the beginning of the game as well, and during some of the longer hauls where the game insisted upon throwing "Nailboard" wielding super mutant after super mutant after me (hard to restock on ammo when the bad guy is wielding a melee weapon). After you can get some cash (cap?) flow you'll be fine.
A few tips here:
-Max out Small Weapons
-Never sell ammo. If you have no intention of using Big Weapons or Energy Weapons you can get rid of those... but the .38 ammo (for the hunting rifle) is a bit scarce and really useful. I swear if I could keep myself stocked up on .38 I'd use the hunting rifle for the entire game. If your inventory starts getting cluttered you should just drop the ammo off at your house.
-Level your repair skill. In previous fallout games, repair was nigh worthless... in this game it's great because it keeps your guns in top shape (especially if you're fighting guys who are using the same weapon you are), and repaired weapons are worth more. I tested this with a couple hunting rifles. Individually, they were worth 6 and 16 caps (or so). I repaired the 16 cap one by destroying the 6 cap one, and the value of the combined hunting rifle was 38.
-Look in EVERY container... and take the Scrounger and Fortune Finder perks. I think those are the names... the ones that make you get more caps from containers and get more ammo from containers.
-Restock at your house often
-Remember that trading strait for the item you want is better than trading "item for sale" -> "Caps" -> "Use caps to buy new weapon/gear/whatever"
It's a great game... but you can't run-and-gun it. - SocialPoison, on 11/03/2008, -2/+11@Elranzer: Oh can it... just because the game doesn't use the Japanese style of standing in lines and attacking one another in turns doesn't exclude it from being an RPG. In fact... as a "Role Playing" Game, Fallout (1, 2 or 3 take your pick) are all incredibly deep and really allowed you to "Role Play" the game as you wanted. You weren't stuck in a linear path and you could always bet there'd be more than one way to tackle a situation.
Also the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system is based on a system that used to compete with the D&D rules years ago (which, as I'm sure you're aware, is an RPG ruleset).
You strike me as someone who hasn't played the game. - mugicha, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1I'm playing Fallout 3 on hard mode and while it's a challenge I haven't had to start "cheating". This is not an FPS. Resource and health management are important aspects of the game and part of the challenge. The only time I don't use VATS is if I'm using a melee weapon or if Dogmeat is "tanking" and I can get a gun right in the enemy's face.
- quasipolymath, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2@dafragsta: Snag yourself the Scrounger perk when you hit level 8. It will drastically increase your chances of finding ammo.
- andre4u, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2@SocialPoison - The lowest rank super mutant almost always use rifles. Earlier in the game, when I saw more of them, I had an insane amount of .32 ammo. What I was always having problems getting was 10mm ammo. Eventually though I got the assault rifle and just about every raider and their mother uses those.
Also, I agree that Fallout 3 is an RPG. It has FPS fighting style but everything else is major "role playing". The karma system and the perks that relate to getting fingers or ears are a testament to that. You can play either the role of a good guy or a bad guy :) - osukwm, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4F.O.3 has another great example of the benefit of a single player game over an MMO: a feeling of the impact and permanence of your actions in the world. You can't permanently kill a character in W.o.W. (or nuke any towns off the map).
- dafragsta, on 11/03/2008, -11/+1Slightly off-topic rant here. I found I had to start cheating early on, even on easy. Where is all the frickin' ammo in this game? I also don't like how the FPS element seems so disjointed from VATS. In FPS mode, can you actually TARGET body parts?
- L0C0loco, on 11/03/2008, -1/+4I'll take the Master of Orion (the original) any day.
- Drahkar, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4Master of Orion 1 was good.Master of Orion 2 was the best version of that game. Master of Orion 3 was what you have left when a developer has diarrhea into a box and tries to sell it as a video game.
- vp0ng, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1MOO2! Still playing it. Never gets old.
Definitely agree with you on MOO3...
- crackedlogic, on 11/03/2008, -1/+7dugg for use of the term "radically singleplayer"
- rmxz, on 11/03/2008, -0/+15 A good singleplayer game can have the atmosphere of a well written book - thanks to a good team with a single vision applying a consistent vision to all the elements. A good multiplayer game tends to have the atmosphere of the comments of some random blog, thanks to every random kid contributing - though admittedly some collaborations (both in writing (wikipedia) and in games (some guilds) work well.
- Stevethegreat, on 11/03/2008, -1/+17To tell the truth MMOs are not even real games, they're resembling work, they have things you have to do. Single players are starkly different, there the world has a reason to exist and it either tells you a story through its linearity (jRPGs) or gives you a story to find out (free roaming games), but you're always part of the world. In the same sense you would never be a part of Azeroth, only a mercenary amongst millions...
- Rosco, on 11/03/2008, -1/+2Actually, kind of reminds me of one of the ads in GTA Vice City for the Exorbio. "Hey Mom look, I'm playing with myself!"
- js281, on 11/03/2008, -0/+8Main difference for me is:
Single Player = Fast Travel
MMORPG = 2 hours to get from one place to another (aka massive timesink)
I don't have time for 2 hours of wandering around killing random dwarves just to get to an NPC who wants to give me a quest.- IceColdFreezie, on 11/05/2008, -0/+1But grinding, point&clicking, and walking for hours is FUUUNNNN!!!!!!!
sarcasm, if you fail to pick it up
- IceColdFreezie, on 11/05/2008, -0/+1But grinding, point&clicking, and walking for hours is FUUUNNNN!!!!!!!
- Groblisk, on 11/04/2008, -0/+1Woulds Knytt Stories be anything like that?
- addiktion, on 11/04/2008, -0/+1Reading this brought memories of 12 year old's screaming on mics on the original Halo. You just wanted to put a cap in their ass and tell them to STFU. So moments like those I'd have to say I wish I was playing a single player game.
- lildeviI, on 11/04/2008, -0/+0They're making games easier and easier to complete. Effectively noobifying the gamer population slowly over time.
If you don't play against other people, how will you ever know that you're a noob? - ericrous, on 11/04/2008, -0/+2When I play Oblivion, I get to be the hero who saves the world. When I play WoW, I'm just another wanker in a sea of wankers.
- FirstDigg, on 11/03/2008, -129/+106Digg up this comment if you prefer "Massively Multiplayer" games.
- vgnezdilov, on 11/03/2008, -0/+8I couldn't decide.
So I voted twice.- Elranzer, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4Vote Early, vote often.
- fwertz, on 11/03/2008, -1/+3I like the unpredictable. So Dugg. Now if only they could make a good MMO.
- oninbonin, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3I love em both!
- derang, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1Both. Plus, sometimes, I'll still even return to the MUDs that have made me enjoy wow so much :)
Great topic name too btw :) - chewbie, on 11/03/2008, -12/+3to all the morons who dugg down: ***** you and thanks for screwing up the vote. you were supposed to digg either one up, none of them down
- crackedlogic, on 11/03/2008, -1/+4waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
- 2Bnor2B, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1Its Kevin's fault for not providing a method of posting polls like most other forums have.
- zip000, on 11/03/2008, -1/+1I find something compelling about the multiplayer games that is missing in the single player games, but I also find them at times tedious.
In general I prefer single player, but multiplayer is fun sometimes. - Andrwmorph, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7They need an MMO that isn't designed to keep players grinding for 14 hours a day.
- vgnezdilov, on 11/03/2008, -0/+8I couldn't decide.
- BlindingDawn, on 11/03/2008, -13/+93Digg up this comment if you wish for "Filter based on age" option in MMO games.
- omnithought, on 11/03/2008, -0/+30The kids would just lie, man.
- Elranzer, on 11/03/2008, -1/+9Fingerprint readers, SSN verification, driver's license... ANYTHING man.
Come to think of it... the 18-25 year olds ain't much better. - philz, on 11/03/2008, -1/+0Make it cost $50 or more and then make this "ID" valid for all games.
- Elranzer, on 11/03/2008, -1/+9Fingerprint readers, SSN verification, driver's license... ANYTHING man.
- cast55, on 11/03/2008, -7/+1To use Blizzard's World of Warcraft as an example, don't you need a credit card to play? Doesn't that necessitate being at least 18?
- AXNJAXN, on 11/03/2008, -0/+11Only if you don't have parents or a means of buying prepaid game cards.
- Eqxy, on 11/03/2008, -0/+15not if mommy and daddy don't mind having $15 drained from their bank account every month so their precious 13 year old can sit and press numbers 1-9 for 6 hours a day.
- devila2208, on 11/03/2008, -1/+1I had a credit card before I was 18.
- devila2208, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1I got mine in 12th grade. I was 17. I didn't lie about anything on it, so to answer the question, no, it does not necessitate being at least 18.
- miket, on 11/03/2008, -0/+0you can buy someone else's time, like for example, your child's.
- Dweller99, on 11/03/2008, -0/+5Dugg. I also think they need to get the hell off my lawn.
- omnithought, on 11/03/2008, -0/+30The kids would just lie, man.
- greywolfexcel, on 11/03/2008, -0/+132FTA: "People suck. I'm joking, of course — but only a bit."
This man writes the truth.- funkyloki, on 11/03/2008, -2/+6You do know that that tidbit was in the summary description of the article at the top of this page, right?
- IKORKYI, on 11/03/2008, -16/+2please, 90% of the fun on xbox live is waiting for that one person where you're kicking their ass so badly, that the correctly inserted trash talk will make them blow their top. frustration is a good teamate.
then you really get them going with telling them its just a game and they shouldn't be yelling. then you start friendly firing/blocking.
mmm i can't wait- greevar, on 11/03/2008, -0/+10Yet another reason for playing single player. Griefers.
- divinediva, on 11/03/2008, -4/+53Awesome Title... This Gamer also prefers playing with Himself !!
- iddybiddy, on 11/03/2008, -1/+20Do you have a choice ? :)
- coyote1284, on 11/03/2008, -3/+4Himself is an awsome guy. He always looks and acts just like the actor he's portraying in his movies, sometimes multiple roles. (and doesn't afraid of anything?)
/God Himself is an *****, though.
- FirstDigg, on 11/03/2008, -77/+8Digg up this comment if aren't a gamer or don't have a preference.
- GOVATENT, on 11/03/2008, -0/+12I think this might reach way into the negatives
- stud76, on 11/03/2008, -7/+7Digg up this comment if you think FirstDigg is being a digg whore.
- GOVATENT, on 11/03/2008, -2/+4digg this up if you think stud76 is being a troll
- MimosaVendetta, on 11/03/2008, -1/+13I never realized I like the lack of character interaction in Myst. I loved replaying that game and just wandering through the worlds. The Crystal Key was pretty good for that as well.
- Ghostalker, on 11/03/2008, -2/+13"Hear me and Obey- no, sorry, that's that other radio station..."
- omnithought, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3Thank you, Three Dog!
- IceColdFreezie, on 11/05/2008, -0/+1Three Dog is possibly the greatest new game character of '08
- omnithought, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3Thank you, Three Dog!
- Exhibitionist, on 11/03/2008, -15/+4The article is misleading, esp. regarding its suggestion that the "vast majority" of WoW players prefer playing alone. The suggestion that the "vast majority" of WoW players are less than level 40 is complete *****.
- tubulcain, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4The context of that comment seemed more about the "vast majority" of players that ARE under level 40, not that most are under that level. After playing WoW for almost 4 years now, I'll have to agree that most of my game time is spent playing alone up to a certain level. It's just more convenient that way when I simply log in and want to play without relying on others to carry me through.
As for a preference to either genre of game, I like them both! Oblivion and Morrowind are 2 of my favorite games, and they have 0 contact with other people in "real life". WoW and City of Heroes/Villains are 2 more of my favorite games, and you can't be in either for more than 10 seconds before encountering human interaction (albeit via typing). I don't believe that one needs to be antisocial to enjoy a good single-player game with a sprawling world. For me, it's not about the solitude: it's about wanting to have a good time getting lost in another video game, whether it be a Castlevania game all by myself, or joining my WoW guild for a night of raiding and listening to some of the guild leaders get plastered over Ventrillo. Cheers, my Horked guildies!!
- tubulcain, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4The context of that comment seemed more about the "vast majority" of players that ARE under level 40, not that most are under that level. After playing WoW for almost 4 years now, I'll have to agree that most of my game time is spent playing alone up to a certain level. It's just more convenient that way when I simply log in and want to play without relying on others to carry me through.
- reyoo30309, on 11/03/2008, -4/+23"Maybe this could eventually become an entire category of entertainment: You're dropped into a huge, lush, gorgeous, sprawling world, and all you do is just sort of ... wander around."
That's what Shadow of the Colossus was essentially like but it did not too to well...- Albaster, on 11/03/2008, -12/+1That's what Second Life is about too, and it's doing okay, on the other hand.
- Scrappy1850, on 11/03/2008, -0/+16one game is good and the other is infested with dildos.
- omnithought, on 11/03/2008, -0/+11@ Scrappy
...literally
- LemonChicken, on 11/03/2008, -1/+22Probably one of the best games on the last console generation
- StrangeFamous, on 11/03/2008, -1/+5This game is already being made.. and it's called Afrika. The whole point is to walk around the beautiful savannah and take pictures of wildlife.
- MikeFallopian, on 11/03/2008, -1/+14Sounds cool. I'll probably just wait for the mod that gives you a shotgun though...
- Rikushix, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6Our whole species is going to hell, lol.
- Tearlock, on 11/03/2008, -1/+18On the contrary, Shadow of the Colossus has heralded much critical praise and sold well enough to eventually gain "Greatest Hits" status which only helped it sell even more units.
- GrantTLC, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4Game Tourism. Visit places and worlds you could never visit in real life. See unimaginable sights. Interact with fantastic creatures. Could be a perfect way to de-stress after a hard day at work...
- Spire3660, on 11/07/2008, -0/+0THats pretty much what I do everyday. If I turn on the TV i get depressed, but I have a shelf full of virtual tours (video games) to take. Hmm I think ill doom the galaxy to dictator rule this time!
- bakagaigin, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2My favorite type of game! Myst, Riven etc., Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, all great games.
- Elranzer, on 11/03/2008, -1/+1Shadow of the Colossus was awesome, but not for the environment.
Monster Hunter was a little like that, too.
- Albaster, on 11/03/2008, -12/+1That's what Second Life is about too, and it's doing okay, on the other hand.
- Narcism, on 11/03/2008, -3/+3I actually prefer people playing with me. Note the use of "people" instead, of "a person".
- AtraNoxVII, on 11/03/2008, -3/+5Yes because we so wouldn't have gotten it without you pointing it out.
Douche.
- AtraNoxVII, on 11/03/2008, -3/+5Yes because we so wouldn't have gotten it without you pointing it out.
- vilago, on 11/03/2008, -1/+20What a dirty title
- aethelberga, on 11/03/2008, -0/+12I'd digg this twice if I could. I love exploring virtual worlds and trying to beat them as a single player but, at times, having to put up with other players (and worse having to partner with them to complete quests) is a pain.
- AtraNoxVII, on 11/03/2008, -5/+27I've been playing with myself for years, this is nothing new.
The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Is
King.- StrangeFamous, on 11/03/2008, -2/+13Don't forget Fallout 3.
- MikeFallopian, on 11/03/2008, -2/+12Morrowind was better.
- GrantTLC, on 11/03/2008, -2/+7Pfft. Morrowind still retains that crown, methinks.
- dave122, on 11/03/2008, -4/+2I think im the only person on the planet who thought morrowind was an awful game... and I generally really enjoy RPG's.
- Narishma, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2dave122: You are not alone. I think Morrowind is a great game ruined by the combat mechanics.
- GrantTLC, on 11/04/2008, -0/+2They are pretty lousy - no-one sane would dispute that. In fact alot of what Morrowind does is decidely amteurish, but it is STILL a better overall game/experience than the far shinier Oblivion which is *fundamentally* broken.
- greevar, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6Give Morrowind the visual upgrades and improved combat system of Oblivion. Then we would have the greatest RPG of all time. The Elderscrolls III: Morrowind: Enhanced Edition or Morrowind EE for short :)
- lolobama, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1Or better yet, give that to Daggerfall.
- Matt2k, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3There was a 3rd party utility for Morrowind that extended the view distance. It really changed the whole experience. I think it was called the Morrowind FPS optimizer if you can still find it on google.
What they're doing now is still great. Don't get me wrong! But if Bethesda ever pushed out enough of a volume to have sequels with strong recurring characters, like Ultima, they could nail that nostalga factor and seal their place in gaming history. But, you know, I can appreciate the additional effort that goes into making one A+ grade game today versus 15 years ago, so maybe that won't happen.
Edit: Here we go
http://tes.lanior.ru/tweaker/images/root.html#view- GrantTLC, on 11/04/2008, -0/+1I'm playing Morrowind right now - thanks for this! :)
- fantasyflamz, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2I've tried both morrowind and oblivion and felt that oblivion was a much better game overall (taking in all aspects of the game) and got you more immersed in the game. In morrowind I didn't feel like I was really interacting with people, I felt like I was reading an encyclopedia.
- Blasphemous88, on 11/03/2008, -1/+3I think that each game is different in that it might need a multi-player environment. Certain games just won't be worth playing extensively with just NPC's while others really could do without multi-player altogether and would be just as fun (if not more). So I don't quite think we can call one better than the other. We'd really need to be more granular and go game by game to determine if it's better as single or multi-player.
- KiloKaan, on 11/03/2008, -1/+21Orgy 2.0 - Singleplayer
- insanewriters, on 11/03/2008, -1/+8I find I enjoy playing LittleBigPlanet, a game where you are encouraged to play online by default, by myself (or with my wife) much more than playing it online. There is always somebody sucking all the lives out of the checkpoints.
- AtraNoxVII, on 11/03/2008, -3/+5I bet checkpoints isn't the only thing she likes sucking.
- Jektal, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4LBP is definitely -easier- solo.
But I think it's a lot more fun with others in the same room.
I've only played online once, and by accident (I thought I was playing SP, then all of a sudden mid-way through the level people started showing up), and it was simultaneously fun and annoying. - ThaDRD, on 11/04/2008, -0/+1I hate the areas of levels with the Sackboy x 2 signs requiring you to team up with somebody in order to get the level to 100%. I don't want to team up with anybody!
- AtraNoxVII, on 11/03/2008, -3/+5I bet checkpoints isn't the only thing she likes sucking.
- MrFurious2k, on 11/03/2008, -1/+9There are times when both situations apply. A games replayability and longevity seem to heavily rely on its ability to be used multiplayer. However, there are times when you just want to sit down and play a game by yourself without having to find someone else. I strongly believe that a good game has a solid single-player experience, but also has a good mp addition to keep it replayable.
- ron7852, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2Its Called Diablo... Can't wait for D3
- DirtyVicar, on 11/03/2008, -6/+4Digg's Radical Realization: I Prefer Playing With Myself
- longchamp, on 11/03/2008, -2/+7Somehow, games feel like they have less meaning when played completely alone. I get very little in the way of thrills when taking out a CPU opponent in a game like say...half life. There's the slight sense of achievement when getting out of a tough situation but it pales in comparison to shooting someone in the face that's controlled by a real person.
- DanNZN, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7Depends on how you look at it. In many single player games, once you kill something it stays dead. You save a town from monsters and you are the hero, the only hero. You made an actual impact on the game world. This is lacking in pretty much all multi player games where no matter what you do it has little/no impact on the game world.
- longchamp, on 11/03/2008, -3/+1Arguably, in MMOs when you finish a "go kill this named mob" you did make a difference in the world as far as you're concerned. Of course the mob respawns, but you never go back so to your character it is affecting the game world.
- rmxz, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1"once you kill something it stays dead. ...You made an actual impact on the game world. This is lacking in pretty much all multi player game"
IMHO this is the one good innovation Eve Online had. You kill someone important, and the whole game's landscape can change. Other than that, though, it's more of a grind than my day job. If only someone made a fun game that had that element of being able to make a difference...
- DanNZN, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7Depends on how you look at it. In many single player games, once you kill something it stays dead. You save a town from monsters and you are the hero, the only hero. You made an actual impact on the game world. This is lacking in pretty much all multi player games where no matter what you do it has little/no impact on the game world.
- Midtowner, on 11/03/2008, -1/+46The trouble with MMO games is the multiplayer aspect makes them feel like a job... or like work. You have to be at location x at time y and you have a task to do. Your teammates depend on you to serve some sort of purpose of various import. I suppose this is fine if you're still in high school or whatever. I played Ultima Online back in the day and had a good time. Midway through college, I realized that I was ditching real-life personal engagements (and my girlfriend) so I could do meaningless crap like fake-marry strangers on a computer game. I realized just how silly that was, so I quit.
Now, I don't play anything that I can't instantly save and walk away from at a moment's notice. I also don't make appointments to play games. I do it exclusively in my downtime (which isn't much since I work full time and go to law school in the evenings). I'm a hard working guy and I want my playtime to really be playtime, not just another job or task completed for the benefit of others.- ccelo, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2you spoke well man.
well, i prefer a lot going out with my friends, to parties and have some fun time than being in a friday night playing around online just because it is like an obligation. - Spire3660, on 11/07/2008, -0/+0Thats like saying. "Well, softball leagues are cool, but I hate having to show up on time, with a clean uniform. Its really a drag.... "
I hate people who ditch raids becasue they have "RL" obligations. Im sorry am I not the real person that you told you would meet up with to accomplish a goal/have fun/hang out? Im not saying MMOS should be work, but if you tell another human being you are going ot show up and they are expecting you, well thats about as 'RL' as it gets.
- ccelo, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2you spoke well man.
- alphaeno, on 11/03/2008, -4/+20Fallout 3
Far Cry 2
Dead Zone
Think I prefer single player- LiebeMachtFrei, on 11/03/2008, -1/+4Leeeroy Jennnnkins
- yournamehere, on 11/03/2008, -1/+18I think you meant 'Dead Space'?
- Gravey9, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3Half-Life 2!
Imagine playing that with a bunch of idiotic real people :S- drh8, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2Its called synergy...its ok to play in short bursts. Very buggy though. Hopefully they fix that. I've played it some,and we had to do group suicide to get a level to unfreeze (Alyx kept freezing). Single player definitely better though.
- Assad, on 11/03/2008, -2/+6I hate single player games... what I really like is solo my way on MMOs.
There is a huge difference.- stubear, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4While I like single player games, I do prefer to solo through MMOs. he reason I quit playing WOW was because it was becoming increasingly difficult to level up on my own. Dungeons required multiple player parties. To be high enough level to go into a dungeon solo, and do anything other then continuously die, made the xp not worth it or non-existent.
- GrantTLC, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2The hitherto unknown third type of gaming - Massively singleplayer? MSOs?
- vertigo32, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4That's how I always try and play when I played MMOs. Trade loot, tradeskills, buffs, etc...then off to play by myself.
Make me a single player game the size and scope of a MMO, and I won't care if other people are on it or not.
- vertigo32, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4That's how I always try and play when I played MMOs. Trade loot, tradeskills, buffs, etc...then off to play by myself.
- Kidsturk, on 11/03/2008, -1/+37I have no problem with shooting other players in the face, but I wouldn't want to try and cooperate with them for anything more complex than say, shooting the other team's players in the face.
- PecanHead, on 11/03/2008, -0/+5Finally - the right comment to digg.
- itspuddingtime, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2well said
- ToastedZergling, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2I 100% agree, but unless I know the person chances are I'll just treat my teammate as a glorified meat shields.
- Hetman, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6I am sorry but I used to love MMO's but now it is like damn. I do not have the time to schedule RL around raids and the choir of leveling up my character. They are fun. But I would rather play single player RPG's and if I want to play multiplayer I will go with an RTS or FPS.
- feliks2, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2Yes, trying to fit NIRL raids into RL time is the big problem. That and small children.
- SirChasm, on 11/03/2008, -0/+26Depends on the game type. While I agree with the article with regards to RPG games, FPS games are much much more fun when you know you're fragging real players. Bots in FPS just don't compare.
Another game genre where human players are frequently annoying and a pain in the ass to deal with are racing games - one retard going around the circuit backwards can ***** it up for everybody involved in the race.
Basically, in games where co-operation between players is important, human players are the bigger annoyance; in games where it's every man for himself, human players are more fun to play against. - omnithought, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7Those rare times when you get an awesome group together in an MMO and have loads of fun and everyone is compatible and everything just flows can be the most sublime gaming experience ever. However, those times are so rare that I prefer to go it alone most of the time. Because, when all is said and done, douchebags just aren't worth it.
- sodade, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3This is exactly how I feel. There were some moments playing WOW (particularly 5man content), where the camaraderie and teamwork of five good guildmates made for the best gaming experience of my life. Unfortunately, those moments were so rare and the rest of the MMO thing sucked. At the end of the day, 5% of the best times didn't make up for the 95% of dealing with douchebags.
I exclusively play singleplayer now, but now that I have experienced the sublime beauty of teamwork, it just feels empty to me now.
- sodade, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3This is exactly how I feel. There were some moments playing WOW (particularly 5man content), where the camaraderie and teamwork of five good guildmates made for the best gaming experience of my life. Unfortunately, those moments were so rare and the rest of the MMO thing sucked. At the end of the day, 5% of the best times didn't make up for the 95% of dealing with douchebags.
- lauraT1987, on 11/03/2008, -3/+3Don't we all play with ourselves?
- aresef, on 11/03/2008, -2/+5*reads only the headline*
Well a lot of gamers don't really have a choice. They just find themselves alone in a room fiddling with their joystick.- GrantTLC, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3If you're going to resurrect old gaming/sex jokes, don't forget to dust off the one about 'hard' disks vs 'floppies'.
- MeatMountain, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3It depends, I enjoy playing with others, but only when they are competent, and I don't have to show up on schedule like its a job. Warhammer is suiting me pretty well. If a Keep is under attack, I can go help defend it. I don't have to join a group. If I see a public quest, I can help with it at my leisure. I can queue up for a battleground anytime and anywhere, and they are usually filled with competent players. Its more friendly to playing at your own pace solo, it does the work of putting you with other players becuase they are all there "soloing" together with you in the public quests and battlegrounds.
- Mujokan, on 11/03/2008, -0/+2I don't have a preference. I kind of play MMOs like single player games anyway. I don't do anything I don't want to. But it does add another layer of adrenaline, and you can meet cool people.
Outside of MMOs, multiplayer is of course great. - Eqxy, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3I can see both sides of the issue here. Sometimes it is nice to have an entire world to yourself. Other times it feels awesome to have 40 people working together to complete a certain goal. Also, the social aspect of MMO's has it's ups and downs. I've met a lot of really awesome people playing MMO's, but by the same token, I've also met a formidable pile of extreme douche bags.
- Dkrainey, on 11/03/2008, -1/+7I love multiplayer but I cannot stand the 13 year old kids who get on there and want to talk. you know the ones I am talking about, the ones who just learned the "F" word and try their hardest to cram as many as they can in a single sentence. Now I am all for the use of the F word but only when the situation warrants it. Talking about how good your "*****" moms "*****" waffles are does not count.
- coyote1284, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1Worse are the ones you know wouldn't DARE say "*****" (or derivative thereof) IRL, but feel free to throw it around OL 'cos they're anonymous.
- Durrok, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6WoW is a stunning example of why sometimes it's better to play alone. If I had a nickle for every BG I was in where we lost due to everyone on my team being jackasses... well I'd probably retire and play BGs all day.
- tubulcain, on 11/03/2008, -1/+0Now, are those the jackasses that are complaining that no one on the team knows how to play and that's why you're all losing; or are they the jackasses that are telling you to "stfu" for being one of the former? Attention to detail MUST be paid!
- MarkusX, on 11/03/2008, -5/+1Haha, I prefer that, too... oh wait, no, I prefer playing with someone else! ;-))
- bobbknight, on 11/03/2008, -8/+1I prefer to play with myself too.
- drgkstep, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6First thing I did on COD: Modern Warfare was max out on the campaign missions. Much more detailed, more immersive and not filled with irritating 12 year olds who do nothing but talk *****. Not that I don't play multiplayer, but if the campaign missions went on forever I sure wouldn't.
- dave122, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4same, I enjoyed the single player on that game much more than the multiplayer. You actually follow a story instead of just playing the same maps over and over.
- lendrick, on 11/03/2008, -1/+6I prefer my RPGs Japanese-style; yes, the role of the characters is already set for you, but you're given enough of an illusion of freedom that you can suspend your disbelief and become part of the story. The only better story-based gaming experience is table-top; you just can't imitate it with an open-ended computer game (take Oblivion, for instance -- the world is amazing, but the vast majority of NPCs are extremely generic), and certainly not something like World of Warcraft, where there's very little personal story to speak of at all.
I know not everyone agrees with me on this, but there's a lot to be said for games that are engineered to play out in a certain way, and not just Japanese RPGs, either. Half Life 2 and Portal are excellent examples of this as well. Both of these games are extremely linear, but the up side is that there's an amazing story to be experienced.
For the record, I enjoy multiplayer gaming as well, but if I had to choose a preference, I'd say I enjoy single-player more.- andre4u, on 11/03/2008, -1/+1A curse on anyone who diggs this guy down!
- wolfing, on 11/03/2008, -0/+5There are MMOs and there are MMOs. In my case, I like MMOs that pretty much force you to group with others, like the original EQ1 and FF XI, but that's before they were 'raid centered' games. I really enjoyed EQ1 since release until I left, some 2 years later, had great times playing it, much better than any single player RPG I've ever played. But then, it started to feel like work, I didn't mind the weekly raid, but then it was twice a week, and then it started to be 'mandatory', not only that, but instead of you doing your job as usual, now you had some dude telling you exactly what to do, where to be and at what moment. It almost felt like he was playing my character, that's when I left, and it seems MMOs in general have turned into single player RPGs for (max level - 1) levels and then full raid like the type I described for the rest f the time. Sucks
- coyote1284, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1"I didn't mind the weekly raid, but then it was twice a week, and then it started to be 'mandatory', not only that, but instead of you doing your job as usual, now you had some dude telling you exactly what to do, where to be and at what moment. It almost felt like he was playing my character, that's when I left."
I'm with you there. It quit being FUN for me when it got to that point. "You HAVE to respec to Rejuv!" No, I don't. "Who's the n00b running Balance at 60?" The n00b that stunned and nuked you to death in a duel. "Hey, now it's the scheduled time to waste 2 hours waiting for everyone to gather, to waste another hour getting to the instance within the instance, to spend another hour fighting the boss." It's 10PM on a Wednesday night here!
- coyote1284, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1"I didn't mind the weekly raid, but then it was twice a week, and then it started to be 'mandatory', not only that, but instead of you doing your job as usual, now you had some dude telling you exactly what to do, where to be and at what moment. It almost felt like he was playing my character, that's when I left."
- axpdocbrown, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6Dugg because this headline made me laugh loud enough at work to have to make up a story about what i was laughing at since digg.com isn't work related.
- RUFiO006, on 11/03/2008, -0/+9"Hell is other people"
- vertigo32, on 11/03/2008, -0/+4I've played my share of both and find that most of the time, I prefer to play a good single player game alone. It might be partially my taste in games (X-Com, MOO, Fallout, etc) but I even prefer to play games like Diablo, Starcraft, or Half Life alone.
Playing a MMO feels like a job - it might be great for someone with no responsibility and all kinds of disposable time in their lives, but I just have better things to do. If you don't have the time to regularly play with the same group of people and keep the same schedules, you usually end up solo or rolling the dice looking for a random team. Most MMOs are difficult to play alone, and a lot of content is unplayably difficult for solo play or takes too long to accomplish anything to be played in blocks. At least single player games you can pause / save and pick back up at.
Even regular multiplayer games suck most of the time - it's hard to find people at an equivalent skill level...and again, unless you have 18 hours a day you should get used to constantly being beaten by homophobic racist 12 year olds. Good luck playing any shooter or RTS - it's more rewarding to kill AI in a skirmish or botmatch and a lot less depressing.- DinoRidingJesus, on 11/03/2008, -0/+0You do realize that they say those things for no other reason than to see people like yourself throw a fit right?
- GrantTLC, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7Many Gamers game for the same reason people read novels - escapism. Competition and Co-operation have their place but it's long past time this form of gaming was recognised and celebrated. The person above who referenced Myst hit the nail right on the head - this is *exactly* why that series was so popular and sold so well.
"Hell is other people", rings true for many of us so please please don't take away all our nice singleplayer adventures. Thank you for listening.
PS: Here's another Journalist who thinks similar thoughts:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/23/the-tro ... - billizm, on 11/03/2008, -14/+11***** you, 2 of my friends died in a raid.
- TheSkunkMonkey, on 11/03/2008, -0/+8I like multiplayer games, just not massive ones. I don't need 1000 random idiots running around in my game but I don't mind hooking up with 2-3 friends to play a game. When you personally know the other players, it makes a big difference.
- Jasmino924, on 11/03/2008, -0/+0I like both but occasionally I find that some games like Far Cry 2 have a crap single player mode but the online is ace. And I often find myself not buying games if they don't any or a decent online play mode so I guess I prefer MMOs
- slothlovechunk, on 11/03/2008, -4/+1***** WoW. Those bastards broke the game that I paid for, and now I can't arena anymore.
If you are going to have to pay a subscription every month, that is one thing.
If you buy the game and then they completely change it so you can't play it the way you used to, that's *****. What exactly did I pay those first 40 bucks for?
I am not going to grind another 10 levels just so I can have a balanced Arena experience again.
Good think GTAIV is coming out for the computer. - doctorgrim, on 11/03/2008, -0/+9Give Fallout 3 a try. It's single player offline but has to some degree a MMOG feel. I'm having a blast with it right now. And if you have kids like I do, it's great to be able to PAUSE and take care of business.
- Spijker, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1Yeah its great, but is there a multiplayer version at all?
- doctorgrim, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately not and never will. Bethesda is famous for this style of gameplay so I expect it. Sure would be nice to have Co-op gameplay though.
- CNAIF, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3I prefer soloing in a MMO online environment. I like the unpredictability of other players in the general world but the forced grouping to accomplish skills, spells, etc I find tiresome. It's tiresome because people are so unpredictable.
Bit of a catch-22 actually. - jerseycrow, on 11/03/2008, -0/+1This is right on the money -- WoW and Fable 2 are different kinds of games, and I love both of them--
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